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Matt. 12:8 declares that t...In answer to point #1:<br /><br />Matt. 12:8 declares that the Son of man is also Lord of the Sabbath. If that be so then it has to follow that the Sabbath must be the Lord's day. Is that not rational thinking. Also, you very well know that John was a Jew and when he refers to the Lord's day in Rev 1:10 it has to be the seventh day.<br /><br />That being said, I did not read in this passage or in any other passage anything about it being Sunday or any other day for that matter. There is no reference in that paragraph, chapter or even the whole book for that matter about John having his vision on a Sunday, so hoe in the world do you come to your conclusion that the day is Sunday?<br /><br />So to be blunt, the Christians never did name the first day of the week as the Lord's day. History tells us that the Roman Catholic Church, by their own admission, claimed this verse in Revelation as meaning the first day of the week. To ignore this bit of history is to have one's head in the sand.<br /><br />Point #2:<br /><br />I can't show a specific place where the Gentile Christians are told specifically to keep the Sabbath or refrain from work, however, I can and have shown you where Jesus tells us this. You have made an exegetical leap and mistakenly thought that the special ceremonial Sabbaths, that were no longer binding because they were fulfilled in Christ, meant the seventh day Sabbath in the Decalogue.<br /><br />Paul teaches that Christians, Jew or Gentile, are saved not by faith, but by grace through faith. Faith is the hand that takes the salvation freely offered by Jesus. Faith does not lead one to disobedience but to obedience. Paul states in no uncertain terms "Do we make void the law through faith, God forbid" Rom. 3:31 and in Rom. 6:1, 14, 15 adds "Shall we sin (break the law) so grace may abound, God forbid!"<br /><br />And what is sin? Sin is the transgression of the law. 1John 3:4<br /><br />You see Ken, I don't need to show you specifically that the Gentiles were commanded to keep the Sabbath since nothing had changed in that regard. The onus is on you to show us that the Gentile Christians met regularly on the first day of the week. Good luck with that.Ron Keysnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5396279953555655134.post-21539763750239697692010-12-11T04:18:05.625-05:002010-12-11T04:18:05.625-05:00In answer to point #1:
Matt. 12:8 declares that t...In answer to point #1:<br /><br />Matt. 12:8 declares that the Son of man is also Lord of the Sabbath. If that be so then it has to follow that the Sabbath must be the Lord's day. Is that not rational thinking. Also, you very well know that John was a Jew and when he refers to the Lord's day in Rev 1:10 it has to be the seventh day.<br /><br />That being said, I did not read in this passage or in any other passage anything about it being Sunday or any other day for that matter. There is no reference in that paragraph, chapter or even the whole book for that matter about John having his vision on a Sunday, so hoe in the world do you come to your conclusion that the day is Sunday?<br /><br />So to be blunt, the Christians never did name the first day of the week as the Lord's day. History tells us that the Roman Catholic Church, by their own admission, claimed this verse in Revelation as meaning the first day of the week. To ignore this bit of history is to have one's head in the sand.<br /><br />Point #2:<br /><br />I can't show a specific place where the Gentile Christians are told specifically to keep the Sabbath or refrain from work, however, I can and have shown you where Jesus tells us this. You have made an exegetical leap and mistakenly thought that the special ceremonial Sabbaths, that were no longer binding because they were fulfilled in Christ, meant the seventh day Sabbath in the Decalogue.<br /><br />Paul teaches that Christians, Jew or Gentile, are saved not by faith, but by grace through faith. Faith is the hand that takes the salvation freely offered by Jesus. Faith does not lead one to disobedience but to obedience. Paul states in no uncertain terms "Do we make void the law through faith, God forbid" Rom. 3:31 and in Rom. 6:1, 14, 15 adds "Shall we sin (break the law) so grace may abound, God forbid!"<br /><br />And what is sin? Sin is the transgression of the law. 1John 3:4<br /><br />You see Ken, I don't need to show you specifically that the Gentiles were commanded to keep the Sabbath since nothing had changed in that regard. The onus is on you to show us that the Gentile Christians met regularly on the first day of the week. Good luck with that.Ron Keysnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5396279953555655134.post-45603409857685476362010-12-11T04:16:27.455-05:002010-12-11T04:16:27.455-05:00In answer to point #1:
Matt. 12:8 declares that th...In answer to point #1:<br />Matt. 12:8 declares that the Son of man is also Lord of the Sabbath. If that be so then it has to follow that the Sabbath must be the Lord's day. Is that not rational thinking. Also, you very well know that John was a Jew and when he refers to the Lord's day in Rev 1:10 it has to be the seventh day.<br /><br />That being said, I did not read in this passage or in any other passage anything about it being Sunday or any other day for that matter. There is no reference in that paragraph, chapter or even the whole book for that matter about John having his vision on a Sunday, so hoe in the world do you come to your conclusion that the day is Sunday?<br /><br />So to be blunt, the Christians never did name the first day of the week as the Lord's day. History tells us that the Roman Catholic Church, by their own admission, claimed this verse in Revelation as meaning the first day of the week. To ignore this bit of history is to have one's head in the sand.<br /><br />Point #2:<br /><br />I can't show a specific place where the Gentile Christians are told specifically to keep the Sabbath or refrain from work, however, I can and have shown you where Jesus tells us this. You have made an exegetical leap and mistakenly thought that the special ceremonial Sabbaths, that were no longer binding because they were fulfilled in Christ, meant the seventh day Sabbath in the Decalogue.<br /><br />Paul teaches that Christians, Jew or Gentile, are saved not by faith, but by grace through faith. Faith is the hand that takes the salvation freely offered by Jesus. Faith does not lead one to disobedience but to obedience. Paul states in no uncertain terms "Do we make void the law through faith, God forbid" Rom. 3:31 and in Rom. 6:1, 14, 15 adds "Shall we sin (break the law) so grace may abound, God forbid!"<br /><br />And what is sin? Sin is the transgression of the law. 1John 3:4<br /><br />You see Ken, I don't need to show you specifically that the Gentiles were commanded to keep the Sabbath since nothing had changed in that regard. The onus is on you to show us that the Gentile Christians met regularly on the first day of the week. Good luck with that.Ron Keysnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5396279953555655134.post-2392344457035224162010-12-08T05:49:21.262-05:002010-12-08T05:49:21.262-05:00Ron to clear things up it is not called the Lords...Ron to clear things up it is not called the Lords Day Act, it's called the Retail Business Holidays Act<br />http://www.gov.pe.ca/news/getrelease.php3?number=7484<br />Not all workers in PEI want Sundays home because it's a religious issue.Tony Lohneshttp://twitter.com/sundayshoppingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5396279953555655134.post-41067203157567991912010-12-07T10:07:17.147-05:002010-12-07T10:07:17.147-05:00Ron, I'm concerned that your posts to Tony hav...Ron, I'm concerned that your posts to Tony have been disrespectful. I love having open and honest discussion at this blog, but I do insist on keeping it respectful. We should be debating ideas, not attacking individuals. The man clearly stated his position. And to be honest, Tony is in a better position than you and me to know what's going on in Prince Edward Island.<br /><br />Perhaps, my post threw you off. I was responding to what looked to me like a sense of panic amongst Christians in that province, as if losing the day-off status of these remaining 16 Sundays would somehow spell doom for the church in PEI. What I tried to write about in my post was how this might actually be an opportunity for the church in PEI to realize that to truly have an impact on their province they must do more than just open the doors on Sundays.Ken Symeshttp://pulse.yahoo.com/_IMFS2H4XDLUK3FKBEIDHB6B3RQnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5396279953555655134.post-83141942497986612812010-12-07T09:59:28.970-05:002010-12-07T09:59:28.970-05:00Tony,
Thanks for bringing this perspective to th...Tony, <br /><br />Thanks for bringing this perspective to the discussion. I did not realize that there was something more going on in PEI than the more religious debate we had here in Ontario over The Lord's Day Act. I can see your point and I will admit that I really did not address this in my post. Admittedly, though, my main goal in writing the post was to try to offer a Christian perspective that was a little more balanced than PEI Transport Minister Ron MacKinley who seemed to think the repealing of law restricting 4 months of Sundays was somehow equal to the coming of the Apocalypse!<br /><br />Thanks again for joining the discussion, Tony, and give us some real Islander perspective on the matter.Ken Symeshttp://pulse.yahoo.com/_IMFS2H4XDLUK3FKBEIDHB6B3RQnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5396279953555655134.post-12997349005034630892010-12-07T06:23:26.293-05:002010-12-07T06:23:26.293-05:00Ron, please do not try and speak for me. I'm t...Ron, please do not try and speak for me. I'm telling you it was not a religious issue in Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island. I'll bet you would like to get you're groceries for free, does it mean you should get them for free? Millions and Billions of people would love to have there groceries free. Millions of people would love to have government offices open and to be able to go to the legislature on Sundays. We do not always get what we ask for.<br />As Christians how can you force people who are not Christians and there are alot of them that consider Sunday a family day?<br />Please don't even try to speak for me. I'm not disguising anything. If you are making a point, please back it up. I have made several comments on my web site www.saveoursundays.ca , that I would support a public vote. Monday to Sunday. If Tuesday was picked, then Tuesday would be that day. I have also mentioned this with my interview with Mark Parent. I would vote for Sunday as it was always considered a family day in all provinces across Canada. If the stores were closed on Friday our site would have been called " Save Our Fridays" <br /> I notice a double standard. You use religion as grounds to have stores open but never mention letter carriers and the millions who are off on this so called religious day. You're arguments only reply to the retail sector!!Tony Lohneshttp://twitter.com/sundayshoppingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5396279953555655134.post-49721262175915656442010-12-07T05:16:31.406-05:002010-12-07T05:16:31.406-05:00You say that having stores close on Sunday is not ...You say that having stores close on Sunday is not a religious issue. What is your motive for avidly working to this end? Many people appreciate the fact that they can work on Sunday and that they can shop on Sunday. As I said, if people require Sunday off for religious reasons then the law supports them and employers must give them the time off. I have not seen a ground swell of Sunday workers who oppose being able to work that day.<br /><br />This IS a religious issue and always has been. Retailers used t have Wednesdays off many years ago but I haven't seen anyone on a religious forum such as this asking for the return of Wednesday business closure. No Tony, this definitely is a religiously motivated cause. To deny that is to deny the very name of it "The Lords Day Act". Please don't try to disguise your motives.<br /><br />I work five days a week and appreciate the fact that I can do my shopping on Sunday. To take that away is a form of persecution toward me and the over 500 other Sabbath keeping denominations.Ron Keysnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5396279953555655134.post-51207451022405293852010-12-07T05:06:10.843-05:002010-12-07T05:06:10.843-05:00No matter how you say it this is forcing your reli...No matter how you say it this is forcing your religious values on a secular society. You have to remember that many people don't hold your values and appreciate the fact that they can work on Sunday. What are you protecting worker from. If they want Sunday off for religious reasons then Canadian law protects and resects this choice and their employer must give them the day off. This has been upheld in the Canadian judicial systemRon Keysnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5396279953555655134.post-51069637630147377112010-12-04T15:31:53.292-05:002010-12-04T15:31:53.292-05:00It's almost humorous that the determination of...It's almost humorous that the determination of what day is holy is made by whether people came together for a meeting on that day. Getting together to worship God can happen on any day. We have Wednesday evening prayer meetings. Does that make Wednesday of any importance? The importance of the seventh day is spelled out quite clearly in the fourth commandment. It is the longest commandment in the decalogue and is the only commandment that begins with the word "REMEMBER". With God's ability to see the future I believe that he knew what was going to happen with the seventh day.<br /><br />What was stored in the Ark of the Covenant? Was it not Aaron's rod, manna, and the tablets of stone. Look at some significance here. Was the Sabbath not carved in stone by God's own hand? Sabbath was given to man at creation, Abraham kept the Sabbath, the Jews kept the Sabbath, Jesus kept the Sabbath, and according to Isaiah 66:23 His people will come to worship before the Lord on what day? The Sabbath day! So what is this little blip in the linear timeline of believers. Something as important as the Sabbath day surely would not be changed without a loud heralding to God's people. Surely something as important as a change to the significance of the seventh day would have been loudly proclaimed and not alluded to by vague passages of scripture about Christians meeting on days other than the seventh day.<br /><br />Just take a look at the REAL historical introduction of Sunday into Christianity and you will begin to understand that it was simply another pagan practice, like Ishtar, and the celebration of Christmas on December 25th, that creeped into the church over a couple centuries after pagan Rome adopted Christianity under the emperor Constantine and pagan Rome became papal Rome.Ron Keysnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5396279953555655134.post-55516891361907803752010-12-04T15:31:08.602-05:002010-12-04T15:31:08.602-05:00As Christians we are supposed to follow the exampl...As Christians we are supposed to follow the example of Christ. Imposing anyone's religious beliefs on another is anti Christian according to the example given by Christ. Not much wonder when we try and bring up Christianity in a conversation with secularists they inevitably state that "more people have been killed in the name of Christianity than for any other cause on earth" Government legislation of minimum wage, or any other benefit to society has nothing to do with religion, which is a matter of conscience. When a group demands adherence to a law that is based on their personal religious belief then they are indeed, as John states, "ANTICHRIST". They are no better than Islamics who demand adherence to their laws or you die. Sunday laws are without a doubt a religious based law and as such have been correctly set aside by the PEI government<br /><br />Should the government change its course and reintroduce Sunday Laws, what would be the penalty for non adherents opening their stores? Would that not make Canada a religious state? Would Canada not be stepping into the mold set by the Roman Catholic Church during that great black period of its history? We would not be any better than those who want to introduce Sheria Law into our mosaic.<br /><br />Religion is a matter of conscience, not government legislation. To introduce religious based laws into a free society removes the "free" from society. Anyone who wants to open his store during any time period is free to do so and that's the way it should be. You are not required to shop on Sunday so don't take away another person's right to do so if they choose to. Sunday shopping has nothing whatsoever to do with your relationship with God, except that someday you may have to explain to Him why you choise to take away the basic rights of your neighbours, the freedom of choice.Ron Keysnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5396279953555655134.post-19960421207638509212010-12-01T09:11:01.108-05:002010-12-01T09:11:01.108-05:00INTERESTING!INTERESTING!G-g Burnhamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5396279953555655134.post-21323068584117329812010-12-01T09:03:52.451-05:002010-12-01T09:03:52.451-05:00And... it's OFFICIAL: Yesterday the bill allow...And... it's OFFICIAL: Yesterday the bill allowing stores to decide for themselves whether to open on Sundays passed third reading and became law, essentially wiping out previous Sunday regulations.<br />Watch this video closely and listen to Amy Smith as she says, "The new law allowing shopping on the <i><b>seventh day</b></i>..." Kind of ironic, given our discussion here!<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87lOThSm9zUKen Symeshttp://pulse.yahoo.com/_IMFS2H4XDLUK3FKBEIDHB6B3RQnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5396279953555655134.post-7052891151603014992010-12-01T00:16:14.976-05:002010-12-01T00:16:14.976-05:00I would actually like to reply to Bob Lehmann. I d...I would actually like to reply to Bob Lehmann. I do not believe in a coming Sunday law and could you show me where it talks about it in the Bible? A little background about myself since I do not have your e-mail address. My grandparents were 7th day and I was brought up thru the system with 5 years of school at Kingsway in Oshawa. I was not saved or baptised thru the Adventist church so when I came back to church in my early 40's I thought if God wanted me to be a 7th day Adventist he would have allowed the Holy Spirit to come into my life at that time. <br />I looked for a church and found a small Baptist church with people who were very much like 7th day, no smoking, no drinking etc but they worshiped on Sunday. I was baptised by imersion I might add and have never looked back or worried that I might be going to church on the wrong day. So to get back on track I no longer get into debates on which day is the Sabbath or Lord's Day because I believe God will look at each of our hearts as individuals not denominations. As far as persecution goes I think that all Christians will be persecuted for believing in Jesus Christ but not for a coming Sunday Law. As Christians I believe we should stick together on the basic teachings of the Bible that we can agree on. "United we stand, devided we fall." At the present time as Christians in a broken world we stand devided. Gary<br />ps: Bob or Andy do you believe 7th Day Adventist love Jesus any more than a person who has accepted Christ but worships on Sunday??G-g Burnhamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5396279953555655134.post-10383322824365004802010-11-29T10:21:13.550-05:002010-11-29T10:21:13.550-05:00Ken, In your preamble to this new topic that is un...Ken, In your preamble to this new topic that is unfolding in PEI, you make reference to <br />John 20:19,26 In verse 19 "On the evening of that first day of the week." <br /><br />As one reads chapter 20 of John, there is much activity taking place on that first day of the week and it is not until the evening that verse 19 is addressing. In Jewish time reckoning from sundown to sundown that evening mentioned in verse 19 would actually be the second day of the week and not the first day. There is a sequence of events that takes place. It is evening after sundown, doors are shut, disciples are assembled and Jesus came and stood in their midst. All this took place after sundown.<br /><br />Evening as defined in Webster's Encyclopedic Dictionary states, the interval between sunset and bedtime.<br /><br />Also you include verse 26 where it states "A week later his disciples were in the house again", to support your argument that the disciples met on the Sunday. <br /><br />However the majority of translations say "after eight days" I'm not certain which one is accurate! Regardless which translation one uses, they still come to the same conclusion that neither event took place on the first day of the week, but rather a day later being either the second day of the week or the third day of the week. <br /><br />I have dealt with verse 19 already, and in verse 26 the word "after" is the key word. As in "after eight days" I take that to mean the passing of eight days which naturally would bring us to the ninth day. <br /><br />What are your thoughts on the matter?Andynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5396279953555655134.post-28379687579218299572010-11-28T09:28:59.884-05:002010-11-28T09:28:59.884-05:00Interesting post, Ken. My perspective comes from a...Interesting post, Ken. My perspective comes from a place where each person has the opportunity to choose how to behave within the general limit of not hurting others with my action. If I wish to shop on a Sunday, or any other day, I should have that right. The Sunday shopping law seems to me an imposition of Christian values on a very diverse society. For some, Saturday is their religious day. Others worship each day. How do we accommodate EVERYone, or at least the largest number of people?Bob LeDrewhttp://twitter.com/bobledrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5396279953555655134.post-71116699642878846622010-11-28T07:17:55.020-05:002010-11-28T07:17:55.020-05:00MacKinley and the unliberal Liberals of PEI are wa...MacKinley and the unliberal Liberals of PEI are way out of line trying to impose their narrow convictions on the rest of the population and having the audacity to claim that God is on their side. As far as I know no part of the law says that we have to shop on Sunday. If all those opposed to Sunday shopping were to put their convictions into practice and spend the day in church instead of shopping, supposing there are enough of them, it wouldn't take long for the stores to stay closed. <br />I also agree that the bible doesn't say anything about Sunday being a day of rest.Lounoreply@blogger.com